Next Forum meeting
Thursday 11th February 2010 , 7pm, venue tba
Notes from previous meetings
Most recent first, date format: Year/Month/Day
2009/10/05
Annual Review Meeting Monday 5th October, 2009
Present: Del Brenner (Regents Network, The London Waterways Commission), Angela Inglis (KCCAAC), Anne Howeson, John Chamberlain (Camden Cycle Network), Sue Cartwright (Huntingdon Street & Crescent Street Residents Association), Diana Shelley (Cally Rail Group), Hugh Lake (Camden Square CAAC), Norman Sheppard (Camden Square NA), Jim Humphris (Agar Grove), Jean James , Fiona MacLean (London Narrow Boat Association), Robert Milne (Thornhill Square & Crescent), Claire Milne, Peter Coppack (CRG), Geoffrey Roper (Lumen UR Church), William Perrin (Kings Cross Environment), Herman Tribelnig (KXRLG/Catudis, LS), Rebekah Audic (Ice Wharf), Gael Audic (GAS/Ice Wharf), Helia Evans (Ossulston TRA)
Thanks: the Forum thanked Robert Evans of Argent for his presentation “So what is actually happening at Kings Cross Central?” prior to the business section of the evening.
Chair’s Report: Geoffrey Roper provided a review of the Forum’s activities since the last AGM.
Amendments to the Terms of Reference: The following changes (which had been proposed and refined in autumn 2008) were proposed by the Chair:
1. A reduction of the number of members required to form a quorum from 15 to 8.
2. The creation of the post of Honorary Secretary.
3. The provision for the extension of meetings to complete business in hand.
All the above were carried unanimously.
Nomination & Election of New Co-ordinating Group:
Nominations were sought for the following posts:
Chair
Vice Chair
Hon Secretary
Coordinating Group members
Representatives of local organisations
It was agreed that each name would be put to the meeting with proposers/seconders and voted upon by those present.
The following individuals were nominated and elected:
Chair (Michael Edwards presiding) – Geoffrey Roper (for one more year only) prop Del Brenner, sec Diana Shelley. Elected unopposed.
Vice Chair – no nomination received and remains vacant.
Hon Secretary – no nomination received and remains vacant.
Co-ordinating Group
– James Dunnett. Elected unanimously subject to his agreement
- Helia Evans (Ossulston Residents Ass). Elected: 8 votes,1 no & 4 abstention - Angela Inglis (KXCAAC- for 1 more year) Elected: 12 votes,1 abstention
- Jim Humphris (Agar Grove). Elected: 12 votes, 1 abstention
- Hugh Lake (Camden Sq CAAC). Elected: 12 votes, 1 abstention
- Robert Milne (Thornhill Sq). Elected unanimously
- Will Perrin (KX Environment). Elected: 12 votes, 1 abstention
Local Organisation Representatives:
Camden Central Community Umbrella – not present
Kings X Brunswick Neighbourhood Association – not present
Kings X Railway Lands Group – Michael Edwards
Islington – eligible group to be identified with wind-down of Cally Rail Group
Minority & Ethnic organisations – none present (2 places available)
Discussion of Future Business:
Planning Response Team – the meeting discussed its role and whether other groups were looking at applications. Agreed that it needs more members. Group has not met for some time and sought a steer from the meeting on the way forward. Meeting agreed that after considering planning applications the PRT may submit responses in the name of the Forum so long as they are simultaneously (or earlier) notified to the membership via the website or email. Angela Inglis agreed to go back to CAAC and ask it to send its comments to Forum given evidence that responses have been removed from information provided by LB Camden. Planning Response Team should play role in informing other groups of what is being done by the Forum. Hugh Lake asked member organisations to state that they support the Forum when they speak to councillors and developers. Outrageous that Camden has not been forwarding Argent’s comments on Forum’s submissions to planning applications, however information can be obtained via Freedom of Information if necessary.
Future Meetings – Previously Forum has met on Thursdays which can clash with Camden Development Control meetings. Would look to having a late November meeting, Monday 23rd at 7pm, provisionally in Camden Town Hall if available.
Public Meetings – Efforts to arrange meeting with Marion Robertson as speaker proved unsuccessful. CABE a possibility in New Year with a new planning decision coming through.
Any Other Business:-
Diana Shelley – Suggested Co-ordinating Group consider terms of reference to allow fundraising. Although difficult there is the possibility of getting some setup funds as a revived group from e.g. Cripplegate Foundation. Could perhaps talk to Antonia Benedek on KXRLG management committee. [ENDS]
2009-02-05:-
Notes of the Meeting Thursday 5th February,2009 5-7pm
Committee Room 2, Camden Town Hall, Judd Street WC1
Present
| Aileen Hammond | Camden Civic Society | Present |
| Andrew Bosi, | Islington Society & Cally Rail Group | Present |
| Angela Inglis | KXCAAC | Present |
| Antonia Benedict | Apologies | |
| Diana Shelley | Apologies | |
| Dorothea Hackman (notes) | South Camden Deanery Synod | Present |
| Geoffrey Roper, Chair | Lumen UR Church | Present |
| Helia Evans | Ossulton Tenants & Residents Ass’n | *Present |
| Jean Burrett | KXCAAC | |
| Michael Edwards | Apologies | |
| Paul Braithwaite | Camden Councillor | *Present |
| Roger Robinson | Camden Councillor | *Present |
| *Not present for the whole meeting | ||
| IN ATTENDANCE | ||
| Neil McDonald | LBCamden Planning | |
The Chair welcomed those present, introductions took place, apologies were received, the agenda was adopted
- There was no notice of any other business:
- A brief silence was held in memory of Phil Jeffries
Notes of Forum meeting held on 13 November 2008 and matters arising Notes of the meeting were agreed with names completed and minor amendments.
This meeting was not quorate either, so the AGM business could not be resumed.
Presentation of Block T1 Neil McDonald, Camden planning officer 5.15-6pm
INFORMATION
- Nine-14 story building, 10% fully accessible,
- 102 units: 48 private, 34 social, 20 intermediate affordable
- 4 studios, 44 1 bed, 52 2 bed, 15 3 bed, 4 4 bed, 1 5 bed
- Planning application any day
- Individual unit detail still outstanding ie not yet provided
- Podium ie garden on 9th floor
- Not to include extra care, no block for the elderly, R5 has the extra care
- District heating system CH power – energy centre needed in time for whole site
- Condition 46 – green roofs, 3,500m2 – 70%
- Access Goods Way/York Way
- “Beak” end of the building has large penthouses
- One Housing may be the Housing Society
ISSUES
- Disability access – above 5th floor
- It will block the view of railway passengers from the trains
- Crammed
- Viewing corridor
- Canals are not open space
- How many multiple beds are in the social housing and what size are the bedrooms (same area as 2 bed but with half size bedrooms?)
- Noise issues: planning compliance – 60 noise impact, 61 noise impact ground sources – noise mitigation schemes.
- Combustion – storage of biomass for combustion – 2 lorry loads a day –
- height of flues – 77 ft above sea level, want 2 more metres
- diesel engines, 2. gas boilers 3. biomass – burnt by jet engine: anerobic digestion rather than gas
Geoffrey to bring to attention of Planning Response Team
Report on work of Planning Response Team
Four people: Hugh Lake, Michael Edwards, John Chamberlain, Richard Lee clerked by Geoffrey Roper: have given responses on behalf of the Forum. Applications still open for comment:-
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- Deconstruction of Gas Chamber frames
- Bus depot on linear lands between North London Line
- JS Sainsbury’s application – planning officers report to Development Committee discounted Forum response
Discussion of KXDF making model planning responses by way of informing the responses of member organizations, as to respond directly suggests the Forum is still being consulted with appropriately which is no longer the case.
Where there is a unanimous view at a quorate meeting can give KXDF response.
Minded to support KXForum view unless there are divergent group interests.
Points made in discussion of building T1 following Neil McDonald’s presentation:
- Central heat and power
- Drain on grid coming out of KX
Roger said Argent was sympathetic; Network Rail not, even though had a bridge to start
- Oyster–only gated station
- West only approach – south exit
Implementation panels – new appointments to be made
These meet quarterly, daytime, Design Panel give inadequate notice. We can have a second member.
a. Access panel: …………………, Andrew Bosi (to join John Chamberlain)
b. Design panel: ………………, ………………….. (has been Del Brenner)
c. Construction Impact Group: ……………….., Thea Hackman (was Phil Jeffries)
Geoffrey will check with previous representatives and the RL Group.
- Possible involvement of future occupiers University of the Arts, Sainsburys plc
- Managers
- Projects
- Trade unions – so engage with the employees rather than only management.
Plans for future Forum Activities in 2009
EAST-WEST PERMEABILITY – Major campaigning issue for the future
PASSENGER CARE at railway stations – directions – peak for the passengers – signage is appalling – too few public toilets – have to walk maximum distance from the underground to the trains
LIVING STREETS – pedestrian power – yet taxis given priority around stations
8 Feb closing KX inside entrance to tube
TRANSPORT PLANNING – nice new forecourt but needs to be exit-only 8am-10am; will do away with it when they build the new concourse: exit only at any time – but as people need to take the shortest route, this is also a campaigning issue.
Dates of future meetings: Co-ordinating Group 30th March 2009, 7pm
Forum provisionally 7 May time dependent on room availability at the Town Hall
